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  Yes Tony, There is a War on God.

  by SixofNine in

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  an open letter to tony snow: .

  with respect to your recent remarks at oklahoma christian university, i am in agreement with your assessment that there is indeed a war on god in our country.

  and you should know, having worked for the president, the administration, and the party that launched that war, and continue to wage it on a daily basis.

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  Brother Apostate

  Here, here!

  Great rant, captures my sentiments very well.

  It's easy to claim you are "Christian", the hard part is walking the walk.

  BA- "And ye shall know them by their fruits..."
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  So is it Evolution or Creation

  by Punk in

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  Brother Apostate

  inkling,

  Micro-evolution/adaptation has been observed. Finches may adapt to their surroundings with time, however, they are desended from finches, and they bear finches. With time, there may be many different varieties of finches, yet they remain finches.

  Macro-evolution has not been observed. It is wishful thinking, based on an interpretation of the fossil record, which in turn is based on the preconception that a creator/designer does not exist.

  One is observable while the other is imagined. There's the "line".

  As for Behe or others, I don't believe anyone has all the "truth". We may find, within any ones knowledge base, things which we agree with and things which we do not. It is sad that many seem to still have the either/or, black vs white mentality of the WTBTS. An article published by a human author may be mostly right or mostly wrong, but rarely, if ever is it entirely right or entirely wrong.

  Operating within our ever growing framework of individual beliefs, we should make sense of new ideas and adopt or reject them from our belief system based on their veracity. Unfortunately, our ability to judge what rings true and what smacks of nonsense is subjective, and we are all unique in our ability to do so, or not.

  One thing is certain- we do not have all the answers, what we have are individual beliefs that will be proven right or wrong with the passage of time.

  BA- "...let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written..." -Romans 3:4
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  So is it Evolution or Creation

  by Punk in

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  Brother Apostate

  Burn,

  Welll, I do know how to say this. This is the type of statement that should be discussed via PM. However, since you feel that it is appropriate, I’ll engage what you stated:

  but maybe your faith is a little fragile?

  Not at all fragile- rather, very strong, and grows stronger each day.

  Your idiosyncratic and hard headed interpretation of several tough passages of Scripture could be considered damaging to the progress of your own walk with God.

  Not so. My faith is built upon my decades of research and reading the Bible. In all those readings, over all those years, I have always found explanations for the passages that you and others may question. That you choose not to do so could impact your faith negatively.

  To tie your faith to this interpretation so strongly risks spiritual shiprwreck for you if you ever become convinced that the interpretation is incorrect.

  Again, not so. As new information comes across my radar, I consume it, digest it, and reason on it, based on my framework of belief, just as all of us, including you do. All of us have been incorrect before, some choose to throw the baby out with the bathwater, not I.

  You posts tend to reveal your own infatuation with a particular interpretation more than they say anything about the veracity of the written deposit.

  Not sure what "written deposit" you are discussing here. In reality, as I have repeatedly stated and will continue to state, we are given precious few indisputable facts, so we must use our knowledge, logic, reason, to come to an interpretation of the indisputable facts. That process ultimately requires faith that the interpretation we hold as most likely is the "correct one", the one that we incorporate into our individual belief system. All of us have an infatuation with our interpretations, that is human nature.

  It's a mistake to pontificate without a due consideration of the facts.

  True. I’ve given the facts due consideration. My interpretation is different from yours.

  To do this alienates potential converts and obscures the more fundamental truths of Christianity.

  You may think so, I disagree. I believe that the fundamental truths of Christianity revolve around the fact that God created us in His image, that we are in a fallen state, that he imbued us with knowledge of good and bad, that that the Bible is God-breathed, that Christ’s sacrifice can redeem us from our fallen state, that we must put faith in Him and His Son in order to be redeemed. You may choose to believe in the neo-darwinistic model of evolution, I do not. I feel it is designed to mislead my fellow humans and not bring praise or honor to their Father, their heavenly designer. There is much more I find wrong with the neo-darwinistic model of evolution, but for the sake of brvity, I’ll leave it at that.

  Genesis is not about the HOWS, but the WHYS. Scripture is not so much about history or science but of the story of human redemption.

  You know what they say about opinions, right? Everybody has one. I too agree that Scripture is primarily about mankind’s fall and redemption. I, however, feel that history and science that significantly differ from Scripture is junk history and junk science. Not all sciences are equal in veracity, some are more art than science, such as history, archaeology and neo-darwinistic evolution theory.

  BA- Setting the record straight

  PS- PM me next time, mmk? Cheers.
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  So is it Evolution or Creation

  by Punk in

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  http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5521410965822202656 take a look

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  Brother Apostate

  I'm not stating that microevolution/adaptation results in new kinds, you are the one making that extraordinary claim, aka macro-evolution.

  Evidence’ doesn’t speak for itself; it must be interpreted. This evidence is interpreted within a materialistic framework by evolutionists. Then these materialists turn around and proclaim evolution as a major evidence for materialism, which was responsible for it in the first place!

  Creationists interpret the same evidence but within a Biblical framework. Adaptation of a bacteria to allow it to digest something is adaptation, microevolution.

  Making the leap of faith that micro-evolution infers macroevoltion requires an extraordinary level of imagination and gullibillity. Macro-evolution is a fantastical myth unsupported by observation.

  “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” -Albert Einstein

  Should you ever choose to look at the other sides of the argument, you'd likely come to the same conclusion. Although I'm not a young earth creationist, this site has already invented the wheel, I'll not re-invent it yet again. Should you choose, you can learn much from this and other pro-creation sites on the web. Or try reading Michael Behe's Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution.

  You might wish to scroll down to the subheading "Rennie’s introductory comments" and begin reading there.
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  So is it Evolution or Creation

  by Punk in

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  http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5521410965822202656 take a look

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  Brother Apostate

  funkyderek,

  The giraffe's neck and the inferred complexity of it appearing as it did, at once, rather than through random mutations, is covered in the article I embedded above, by Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig.

  Now, I know that you can't handle your pet theory being debunked and rebutted, but it continues to be torn apart as we speak. In time it will be undeniable to all but the evangelicals such as yourself that evolution theory as currently taught is a myth.

  Future generations will laugh at the ignorance of what evolution propenents believed.

  But mock and derision is a sure sign of close-mindedness, fd.

  TalkOrigins is indeed a good site to hear the pro-evolution propaganda. I check it regularly to keep up to date with that side.

  Unlike you, I research both, or all sides of a topic before jumping to a preconceived conclusion such as you clearly have done.

  BA- Cheers.
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  So is it Evolution or Creation

  by Punk in

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  http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5521410965822202656 take a look

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  Brother Apostate

  BA, although you might think that a 6th finger per hand is irreducible, it's still a mutation. not necessarily one that is of benefit in our times, but in our times we pretty much control evolution. Bad example of irreducable complexity. Try giraffe's neck, biochemistry of vision, blood clotting, cellular, gated, and vesicular transport, etc, etc
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  So is it Evolution or Creation

  by Punk in

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  http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5521410965822202656 take a look

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  Brother Apostate

  but there's also a great deal of mutation, which indeed createsnew things.

  Mutation has never "creatednew things", rather, mutations occuring within a kind cause it to adapt to it's environment, such as beak length, size, etc within finches.

  But a finch, no matter how many mutations occur, over billions of years, will still be a finch.

  It's coloration, its beak, its legs, etc may adapt, yet it will always be a finch, begat by finches, and begetting finches.

  You might also want to read this for starters:

  http://www.weloennig.de/NaturalSelection.html

  BA- Correcting the incorrect.
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  So is it Evolution or Creation

  by Punk in

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  http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5521410965822202656 take a look

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  Brother Apostate

  nvr,

  The theory of evolution, in regards to its components, is more of a belief system, rather than a theory based on what is observed.

  Giraffes necks, human eyes, and other items of irreducable complexity point to a design, which requires a designer. The "falsifiable" definition of scientific methods is a recently introduced definition. Just as scientific theories change frequently, so do scientific definitions. The assumption that mutations will lead to the survival of the fittest, or that mutations in a population result in anything other than minor adaptions to the environment over time, have been shown to be in error. The presence of "living fossils", too, demonstrates the inadequecy of the currently held neo-darwinian evolution theory to pass the litmus test of veracity.

  Rather than debate with armchair scientists on teh internetz, I'll borrow your style and post for you some information that may enlighten you as to what you may not know about the "theory of evolution" as it is currently taught:

  For starters.

  You might also want to read this:

  http://www.weloennig.de/NaturalSelection.html

  If you wish to understand both sides of the arguments for and against evolution, natural selection, survival of the fittest, intelligent design, etc, I'd recommend checking these sites periodically:

  http://www.evolutionnews.org/

  http://www.discovery.org/csc/

  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/archive/

  http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/

  You can google for more.

  Or take a look at this video if you're not into reading (or can't comprehend what you read):

  http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5521410965822202656

  Or if you like a hard copy to read, I'd suggest Behe' Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution

  BA- Enjoy!
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  So is it Evolution or Creation

  by Punk in

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  Brother Apostate

  A scientific theory is a conceptual framework that explains existing observations and predicts new ones.

  A scientific fact is an "objective" and verifiable observation.

  Correct. Which is why it's correctly called the "Theory of Evolution", not the "Fact of Evolution".

  But that doesn't stop many from repeating the tired old lie "evolution is a fact", as if repeating it over and over makes it so.

  BA- Evolution is a silly theory, one that will be proven wrong with time.

  PS- Design requires a designer.
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  The Evolution Revolution (research paper for school)

  by looseend in

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  i was wondering if anyone else read this article in newsweek?

  i am doing a reasearch paper for school on evolution.

  i was wondering if i could get some help.

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  Brother Apostate

  If you wish to understand both sides of the arguments for and against evolution, natural selection, survival of the fittest, intelligent design, etc, I'd recommend checking this site periodically:

  http://www.evolutionnews.org/

  http://www.discovery.org/csc/

  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/archive/

  http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/

  You can google for more.

  To get you started on just one reason why many scientists take issue with the theory of evolution, you might wish to read this for beginners:

  http://www.weloennig.de/NaturalSelection.html

  Or take a look at this video if you're not into reading (or can't comprehend what you read):

  http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5521410965822202656

  Or if you like a hard copy to read, I'd suggest Behe' Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution

  BA- Enjoy!